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Re: WM5 and Explorer Today Plug-In
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Thread Starter: Matchstick
Started: 11-15-2005 3:14 AM
Replies: 21

15 Nov 2005, 3:14 AM

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Matchstick

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WM5 and Explorer Today Plug-In

Hi,

I seem to be having a few problems with my Axim X50v upgraded to WM5 and programs like the Explorer Today plug-in that display battery status.

The symptoms are much higher battery drain than expected (even when the device is turned off) and also the device sometimes failing to turn on when the on-button is pressed, requiring a soft-reboot to get going.

Disabling the Today plug-in certainly seems to have cured the problem of the device not turning on and the battery drain does seem to have gone away as well (though obviously this is much more difficult to objectively measure).

I've also run into the same symptoms when using the battery bar feature of Magic Button so is there something different about the way you access the battery status in WM5 that might be causing these problems ?

15 Nov 2005, 8:41 AM

Mario López

Joined on 05 Sep 2005
México
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Re: WM5 and Explorer Today Plug-In

Juro:
The use of the Resco Today Plug-in ago that the battery consumption is increased?

15 Nov 2005, 11:20 AM

Matchstick

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Re: WM5 and Explorer Today Plug-In

I don't really have any way to test for sure that certain battery meters are causing the battery to run down faster but since turning off the Explorer Today Plug-in and the battery meter in Magic Button I really do think the battery life has improved significantly (plus I havent had a single problem getting my X50v to start)

This is the article I came across that got me to try turning off the battery meters
http://x51v.blogspot.com/2005/11/x51v-mysteries.html

15 Nov 2005, 11:39 AM

Mario López

Joined on 05 Sep 2005
México
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Re: WM5 and Explorer Today Plug-In

I read what says the article of the link that you sent.
It's said that the Today Resco Plug-in ago that the quickest battery is drained.
Is this true?

16 Nov 2005, 1:08 PM

MarcFou

Joined on 11-01-2005
Phoenix, AZ. USA
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Re: WM5 and Explorer Today Plug-In

I have the same problem with the Today Plugin. On my iPaq hx2415 with WM5 the Resco Today Plugin drains my battery over night.

I uninstalled the the plugin and the problem cleared up. As a test I reinstalled the plugin and my ipaq went from 98% battery to 17% in only 6 hours of standby time.

So as of now I uninstalled it again and my battery life is back to normal. There is a definite problem with the Today plugin and WM5.

17 Nov 2005, 4:32 PM

Mario López

Joined on 05 Sep 2005
México
Posts 117

Re: WM5 and Explorer Today Plug-In

Does this only happen with WM2005?
Has somebody made this test with WM2003SE?

18 Nov 2005, 8:38 AM

Anonymous

Re: WM5 and Explorer Today Plug-In

The problem is with either WM5 or the Axim specifically.
Over on the Axim site the are hundreds of complaints about battery drainage occurring with ALL battery monitoring programs, not just Resco.

18 Nov 2005, 9:28 AM

MarcFou

Joined on 11-01-2005
Phoenix, AZ. USA
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Re: WM5 and Explorer Today Plug-In

Then it may be an issue with WM5 then relating to any plugin that displays battery status\power.

24 Nov 2005, 5:33 AM

Anonymous

Re: WM5 and Explorer Today Plug-In

Is this issue solved by the new version 5.30 ?

24 Nov 2005, 6:41 AM

Juro Janosik

Joined on 15 Mar 2005
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Re: WM5 and Explorer Today Plug-In

I would like to explain how the Resco Today Plugin queries the battery to make this stories clear.

1. Today plugin queries the battery state only if the battery icon is visible.

2. It does not perform any action when the device is turned off or when the Today window is not visible (is in background).

3. It queries the battery state in time inteval longer than 5 seconds (there are no two queries having the difference less than 5 seconds). This time interval might be 1 second for the versions prior to 5.30.

4. The query is performed by calling the single legal and documented API call which should (according to the MSDN documentation) only passively get the cached values defining the battery state.

As I was reading all the terrible stories above I have checked these 4 points by making the special version logging all the activity and I can cleanly state that these 4 points are true. I was doing this testing on Dell Axim X50v with WM 5.0 (A00 ROM image) - the device which should cause the problem.

We were taking this problem seriously making the version 5.30. However the only thing we could do is decreasing the battery state queries frequence (as mentioned above). If this problem really happens, it is probably the hardware problem and I am sure that Dell will provide a new ROM update for it soon. I will report this problem to our partners at Dell.

Please let me know if you experienced the same problem with the version 5.30.

24 Nov 2005, 6:49 AM

Juro Janosik

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Re: WM5 and Explorer Today Plug-In

One more thing:
Have anyone tried to hide the battery icon from Resco Today Plugin?
Is this sufficient (equal to disabling the whole plugin)?

24 Nov 2005, 7:23 PM

MarcFou

Joined on 11-01-2005
Phoenix, AZ. USA
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Re: WM5 and Explorer Today Plug-In

Never tried that. I will tonight and power off with a 100% charge and report my results tomarrow.

I have only tested disabling the entire plugin. BTW using an ipaq hx2415 with the WM5 upgrade issued by HP and same simptoms as the Dell Axims that were reported. i.e. 60 to 80% discharge overnight while in stand by with the plugin enabled.

We'll see what happens.

25 Nov 2005, 1:27 AM

Juro Janosik

Joined on 15 Mar 2005
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Re: WM5 and Explorer Today Plug-In

And what is the discharge without plugin ?

I have tried it again yesterday and I experienced not even 1% discharge overnight with Dell Axim X50v WM 5.0 running today plugin version 5.30.

Please do the testing with the version 5.30.

25 Nov 2005, 4:25 AM

MarcFou

Joined on 11-01-2005
Phoenix, AZ. USA
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Re: WM5 and Explorer Today Plug-In

Without the plug its normaly 2% or 3% (for about 10 hours). I have been using the plugin that came with Explorer 5.22. Inorder to use 5.30 would I install Explorer 5.30? Or is there a link I can download the plugin only? Thanks.

28 Nov 2005, 9:49 PM

Anonymous

Re: WM5 and Explorer Today Plug-In

Used the today plugin in 5.3, let my axim x51v in stand by for 14 hours and got 95% of battery!!

This seems normal to me doesn't it?

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